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David Bosco over at The Multilateralist takes issue with my assertion that the Obama Administration is making sweeping changes to U.S. foreign policy. I feel compelled to respond ... well, because I'm on the train and the alternative is struggling with the really bad Wi-Fi connection in an effort to catch up on what the HuffPost Style page has to say about the low-cut dress Charlize Theron wore last night. It's not the dress really that draws me to the article -- though it is certainly not a disincentive -- but rather the fact that she was receiving some kind of lifetime achievement award. She's 36. 36! That's a long life ... for a junebug.

That said, the Internet connection on the Acela sucks. So, I will turn my attention back to what some colleagues here at FP have characterized as "a smackdown" on Obama's foreign policy. These are the same people who cheered every fight on the kickball field in elementary school. But there would be something profoundly hypocritical about a blogger turning his back on noisy spectators, given, after all, that that's what bloggers are.

So what's Bosco's beef? Apparently he feels that I have overstated the sweep and specifics of the Obama "pivot," and he seeks to make the point that Obama's approach to foreign policy is much like that of the Bush Administration. Now, of course, there's something to what he says. Perhaps I should have stipulated that there is always a degree of continuity to U.S. foreign policy. But I have said that so many times in the past that I didn't feel the need to hammer that home yet again.

Further, some of his points are absolutely fair. There were bigger differences between Bush's first term and Obama's stance than between W's second-term foreign policy and the current crew's. Bush did show more respect for multilateralism after he blew up America's reputation with his unilateralist first-term catastrophes.  That said, if I'm going to take a side in the "who's more of a natural multilateralist, Bush or Obama" debate, I think I'll stick with the president we've got now.

Bosco rightly notes that the drone attacks undertaken by this administration have been unilateralist in nature (for the most part, those conducted outside the ambit of multilateral alliances or U.N.-sanctioned missions). But when he suggests it is contradictory for me to cite Obama's move toward a more multilateral policy as part of his policy shift while I also cite his shift to more surgical, drone-intensive anti-terror strategies, he's just muddling matters to suit the argument he would like to make. That's because I was mentioning both matters as separate components of a litany of "pivots" that Obama has made. One was pertaining to multilateralism vs. unilateralism. Another separate point pertained to the shift from going after terrorists as part of massive ground wars to going after them with more tactical finesse. Further, I didn't say Obama had completely eschewed unilateralism ... just as I feel that in certain circumstances he would choose conventional ground war.  Distinctions between one administration's foreign policy and another's can be profound and yet not complete.

Further arguing that using advanced technologies is a manifestation of a belief in American exceptionalism is just silly. All societies use the tools at their disposal. Would a less "exceptionalist" president resort to throwing sticks and rocks at his enemy as a sign of fairness if that's all the enemy had at his disposal? But let me add some nuance to this. Do I believe Obama thinks America is special? Yes. Do I believe  he has often bent over backwards to communicate that this administration is more inclined to listen and actually treat our allies and others we interact with on the international stage as equals than his predecessor? You betcha.

As for his final point that the world somehow sees Obama as the same as Bush because U.S. approval levels are not as high as they were during the first hopeful months of Obama's presidency, Bosco seems to deliberately ignore how different Obama's approach is from Bush and Cheney's and how far we are from the darkest days of revulsion at U.S. unilateralism early in the Iraq War. I've certainly spoken over the past three years with many foreign leaders and diplomats who have noticed the difference -- even as many have been deeply critical of Obama's policies or the administration's inaction on key issues.

So, to summarize, do I think Obama is the anti-Bush, a 180-degree different being with similarly different policies? No. Don't think I said that either. But do I think his administration has taken a different course from Bush in many ways? Yes. Is the shift away from the Global War on Terror as the centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy something meaningful, important, overdue, and worth noting? Yep, I think so. The shift to Asia? Also yep. And if what I call important shifts on multilateralism he calls "far superior atmospherics," I guess that my view is that atmospherics are a fairly important dimension of diplomacy.

Having said that, should Bush get credit for his own shifts away from his ghastly first-term policies to the extent that he made such shifts? Sure. It's just that the current president has gone much further than his predecessor was inclined to and I think he deserves credit for that.

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BLUE13326

10:45 PM ET

November 29, 2011

Charlize Theron is looking

Charlize Theron is looking really good these days; talk about aging well. I don't see a lot of the distinctions you are making between Bush and Obama here (and who the heck cares whether someone is a "natural" multilateralist or not, it sounds like he's more willing to streak at the UN or something). And I think when you talk about worldwide opinions you seem to be mistaking Western Europe for the world (Obama is around the same approval as Bush pretty much everywhere except in Europe). That said, Obama's foreign policy is definitely an improvemet, and light years ahead of Bush's first term, but it's more like he added a layer of subtlety to Bush's 2nd term.

 

WIZARD44

12:30 AM ET

November 30, 2011

Inconvenient Truths

I find myself siding with David Bosco on this exchange.

Here is his key observation:

'The vaunted shift toward a targeted killing policy in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and elsewhere is not being done multilaterally. Quite the contrary. The Obama administration has had little time for the complaints of UN human rights officials, for example, about its targeted killing program. It does not seek Security Council approval for cross-border strikes, including the one that killed Osama bin Laden, even though international law arguably requires that. Very much like previous administrations, the Obama administration talks up multilateral instruments when convenient and mostly ignores them when they're inconvenient.'

One cannot separate(as you attempt to do) the unilateral, unaccountable, extra-judicial covert war undertaken by the Obama administration in numerous Middle Eastern nations, from the question of whether there has been a pivot to a 'more' multilateral approach to foreign policy.

Indeed, there is ample evidence that American exceptionalism has found renewed life in the secret machinations of the CIA, the Joint Special Operations Command & other instruments of 'unilateral' national power.

 

GRANT

3:13 AM ET

November 30, 2011

I agree (at least in small

I agree (at least in small part) with you but Pakistan and Afghanistan are part of South/Central Asia, not the Middle East.

 

WALTSWRONGWITHTHISPICTURE

1:16 AM ET

November 30, 2011

obies fp is a failure....

on surface it looks soso...below the surface, it stinks.

of course, no liberals would ever admit that...

The Middle East is in complete turmoil, Iran is leading the world to disaster, Russia and the stupid PR contrived "reset button" is a complete disaster, Pakistan is a disaster, South America is a disaster in the making, appeasement is on the rise, sacrificing allies is in vogue, confronting China is stupid, and the US is considerably weakened as a result of mistakes, misteps and failures in all of these areas.

I see nothing positive about his foreign policy. Nothing.

 

WALTSWRONGWITHTHISPICTURE

4:23 PM ET

November 30, 2011

smokeboy

pakistan and north korea are your examples of why iran ought to have them?

LOL...

i see you're a deep thinker...

 

KUNINO

4:17 PM ET

November 30, 2011

Since drones seem to kill many more civilians than foes ...

... it's extremely discouraging to find two self-applauding wise heads arguing about the degree of surgicalism in drone attacks. Surgeons, by and large, don't hack into the nurses, anesthetists and others standing inoffensively alongside the person lying on the operating table at the time.

When how lethal the drones are among the innocent became an embarrassment to Defense, it gave up its original and more (well, sightly more) honest practice of admitting that the drones killed bystanders, and attaching seemingly accurate estimates of just how many bystanders there had been. The estimates were usually low, and when this was proved, Defense stopped admitting it was droning any civilians to death at all. Bosco and Rothkopf seem to take this as evidence that magical drones today kill only baddies. A mistake, and a triumph for shabby Defense practice.

Well, a short-term triumph. It stains the Defense side of the current interchanges about how exactly the US air assets in Afghanistan killed those Pakistani soldiers. Reputations for honesty once lost are won back only with great difficulty.

 

CHARLESFRITH

3:15 AM ET

December 1, 2011

I'm not taking sides.

It's irrelevant hair splitting and egotistical turf wars between globalists of pernicious think tanks and secretive organisations as blood continues to be spilled around the world. It's like an archontic circle jerk.

 

ARVAY

10:57 AM ET

December 1, 2011

I'm always amazed

. . . at the deference seeming granted automatically to leaders and former leaders in this country.

Having said that, should Bush get credit for his own shifts away from his ghastly first-term policies to the extent that he made such shifts?

Having launched an unnecessary and self-harming war against the wrong country -- sending billions, perhaps trillions of dollars irretrievably down a rathole, killed almost five thousand Americans and at least a hundred thousand Iraqis and having as a result handed Iran a region-changing victory -- Bush gets the same golden parachute sendoff that a CEO who's wrecked his company gets?

Well, that seems to be the American way, now.

The man needs to be seen clearly -- while he's still alive to enjoy the reviews -- as a blundering incompetent who did more harm to his country than any mullah or al Qaeda fighter.

Whose team of clowns muffed the chance to nail Osama bin Laden.

Two entities are now widely despised among Muslims and other peoples of the world -- Osama bin Laden and the United States of America. Osama because he was what he was -- a murderous hypocrite -- and the US ever more so because of Bush's wars and our devotion to Israel.

Obama's pipsqueak actions following the Cairo b.s. have only emphasized the seriousness of the spectacle. Is America an evil empire, or just a pitiful helpless giant that can't control the actions of a client state?

Nice work.

Obama has "improved" the situation by adding the assassination of American citizens to Bush's repertoire of arrogant failures and assering the right to strike anyone, anywhere, at our discretion. This has been aptly described as the "Likudization" of American domestic and foreign policy.

Obama's policy, in my view, is even more pernicious and will blow back ever more serious consequences. He's a lot smarter and better-educated than Bush, but his aim is still to preserve the tattering world hegemony we should never have pursued.

People around the world are not fooled.

 

WIZARD44

3:26 AM ET

December 2, 2011

Dennis Blair

“Pull back on unilateral actions by the United States, except in extraordinary circumstances,” Blair urged during an onstage, hourlong interview with CBS’s Lesley Stahl at the Aspen Security Forum. “I think we need to change — in those three countries — in a dramatic way.”

“We’re alienating the countries concerned, because we’re treating countries just as places where we go attack groups that threaten us. We are threatening the prospects for long-term reform raised by the Arab Spring … which would make these countries capable and willing allies who could in fact knock that threat down to a nuisance level,” Blair said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60199.html

 

ANASTASIA2088

8:47 AM ET

December 20, 2011

As the statement made by the

As the statement made by the Blair was correct now the time is that there should be a change in those three country due to which their thought against that people in the mind could get changed. by which the people who are not related in that action well get justice. Rose

 

PULLER58

3:29 PM ET

December 21, 2011

It's not that serious

Difference of opinion. Let it go.

 

David Rothkopf is the CEO and Editor-at-Large of Foreign Policy. His new book, "Power, Inc.: The Epic Rivalry Between Big Business and Government and the Reckoning that Lies Ahead" is due out from Farrar, Straus & Giroux on March 1.

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