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Nothing like confronting up close what really bad allies look like to remind you of the virtues of your better ones. As NATO's leaders prepare to meet on Saturday to discuss Afghanistan, the news is full of stories reminding us of the yawning chasm that exists between the values of the society we are committing blood and treasure to assist and our own. 

America's hand-picked man in Kabul, Hamid Karzai, put those differences in stark focus with his decision to sign a new law that legalizes rape within marriage and prohibits women from venturing outside the house without the permission of their husbands.  The law, deeply objected to by human rights groups and, one can only suppose, anyone with a brain or a heart, was characterized by Senator Humaira Namati, quoted in a story in the U.K.'s Guardian newspaper, as "worse than during the Taliban."

Perhaps this development puts the administration's search for a moderate Taliban in perspective.  If we can tolerate such behavior from our "friends" perhaps we will therefore now find it easier to tolerate in our enemies. What's more, the Taliban themselves seem to be in the midst of a vigorous PR campaign seeking to position themselves as the Afghanistani equivalent of MoveOn.org or Arianna Huffington (if she weren't a woman, and thus had fewer rights and less respect than a stray dog in the street.) 

Speaking of which the attempt to present a new, warmier, cuddlier Taliban was recently described in the Huffington Post as follows:

The Taliban are now prepared to commit themselves to refraining from banning girls' education, beating up taxi drivers for listening to Bollywood music, or measuring the length of mens' beards, according to representatives of the Islamist movement. Burqas worn by women in public would be "strongly recommended" but not compulsory. 

Of course, the effort to paint a smiley face on every rock used for their public stonings is just in its formative stages and is cast in a somewhat different light by the fact that the "mainstream" "democratic" Afghan government put in place by the United States has taken such a brutal, medieval stance toward half its populace.

It is therefore easy to see why Barack Obama's European tour seems to be such a lovefest even if the Europeans themselves are less-than-enthusiastically responding to U.S. requests for their active support in AfPakia. Today, when French President Sarkozy offered to take one U.S. prisoner from Guantanamo and send something like 150 gendarmes and a mobile charcuterie to Afghanistan, he was embraced by Obama as though he were the 21st Century Lafayette. 

Indeed, reading the heart-rending stories about the Afghans and at the same time seeing the lengths that, for example, the French and in particular, Sarkozy have gone to on behalf of restoring the trans-Atlantic relationship, I regret poking fun at the French as allies a few weeks back.  It was entertaining, but it is was a bit of a cheap laugh at the expense of an ally who was, after all, right about most of criticisms of Bush Administration policies.

Which brings us to an early challenge for the Obama Administration and for all of NATO. While much is made of their initiatives to reach out the Taliban and the merits of their new AfPak strategy, we need to stop and ask ourselves if we aren't overlooking a vitally important question: why does the mistreatment of male terrorists in Guantanamo outrage us more than the abuse of average women in Afghanistan? Which, in fact, is more odious to core American values? 

Cheney argued America's national security interests justified our abrogation of international treaties and the U.S. constitution. Is it any different to argue that our national security interests should obligate us to continue to support a government that so disregards the fundamental rights of women? 

Or shouldn't the Obama Administration and the West set a new standard and demand that international minimum human rights standards be upheld by our allies or we will no longer support them?  This is truly an opportunity to draw a line between the moral failings of the last administration and this new one and one of the best ways to judge NATO going forward will be not simply in terms of its force levels in Afghanistan but in terms of what it is actually fighting for.

Update: Per this New York Times report, Hamid Karzai has announced he would now review the law referred to above. The Times story says that this was due to precisely the kind of pressure from the Western Alliance called for in this blog post. Therefore, you might think I should take full credit for it. I cannot do that of course. It is only right to let history decide. However, before making Karzai next year's National Organization for Women Man of the Year, it is worth noting that he did not exactly back away from the thrust of the law nor did he fully acknowledge what has made it so reprehensible to so many worldwide. The actions and statements, however, of the UN, the Canadians, the Italians and others including strong language from Barack Obama do deserve credit and we can only hope they maintain both their resolve and their vigilance on such issues in Afghanistan and worldwide.
 

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FNORD

9:48 PM ET

April 3, 2009

Amen

I have crossposted this to abumuqawama.blogspot.com

 

FNORD

9:49 PM ET

April 3, 2009

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BLUE13326

12:15 AM ET

April 4, 2009

A couple of problems:

A couple of problems: Multiculturalism, the dogma which the Obama left holds dear, calls what you are advocating cultural imperialism. And it's supposed to be a very bad thing. This is what the big bad neocons were trying to do: Force our western values on these people. And, as anyone who's attended a liberal arts college for the past twenty years can tell you, all cultures are relative, and one's cultures' values aren't better than any other's (OK, except maybe France). And this attempt to instill our cultural values in these places is actually a constant gripe you hear from these places, at least from their elites. Additionally, that great barometer of international ethics, the UN, takes something like this view; as it is in the process of criminalizing criticism of Islam, under UN law, this might even be illegal one day, assuming a smart attorney can show this treatment of women is the cultural norm in Islam.

Second, as a practical matter, if virtual enslavement of women, stoning of gays, etc. etc. is the norm in that part of the world, trying to instill our foreign values on them might further inflame resentment and weaken our allies and thus our position and influence there.

From a position of pure ethics, I think it's obvious you're right, but we've been told for the past 8 years that the evil neocons are trying to 'Americanize' the world and it was the height of American arrogance to try and instill our values there (after all, I can't think of anyone who was a more committed and outspoken spokesperson for the plight of women in that part of the world than Mrs. Bush, can you?); one of Obama's constant refrains is that we tried to dictate and didn't listen enough. And if our arrogance truly has been responsible for so many of the world's ills, then maybe it makes sense when Hillary Clinton goes over to China and announces that we no longer care about their human rights issues. I mean Obama was just pictured at the G20 bowing and scraping to the Saudi monarch, and women (or gays or Christians, for that matter, not to mention Jews) don't have it so good in that country. We wouldn't want to try and impose our values on them now, would we?

 

BRETT

4:14 AM ET

April 4, 2009

America's hand-picked man in

America's hand-picked man in Kabul, Hamid Karzai, put those differences in stark focus with his decision to sign a new law that legalizes rape within marriage and prohibits women from venturing outside the house without the permission of their husbands.

This is completely unacceptable, and I think it is one of the risks of "low-balling" the nation-building process. If we can't even pressure the central government to ensure rights for women, then why not just abandon all but the eastern edge of the country (from where we can maintain intelligence networks and launch drone strikes) and cut our losses?

 

CHANDLER

9:58 AM ET

April 4, 2009

Nice straw man

First, who said that the "mistreatment of male terrorists in Guantanamo outrages us more than the abuse of average women in Afghanistan?" Who, other than the author of this exercise in hot air, has made such a perverse comparison? Is there an outrage-meter somewhere registering outrage at selected violations of human rights? Does this meter register collective outrage? Or selected outrage? What pseudo-intellectual gasbaggery.

An additional note to this point: it has been documented that not just terrorists have been mistreated, but innocent (or to use the author's preferred descriptor, "average") people as well.

Second, the whole contention is absurd. On the one hand, you are dealing with actions taken internally, by our own government, in a controlled location not far from the Florida coast. On the other, you are dealing with actions taken externally, by a foreign force, in a combustible war zone.

Finally, the author doesn't seem to see the irony implicit in his question: "Or shouldn't the Obama Administration and the West set a new standard and demand that international minimum human rights standards be upheld by our allies or we will no longer support them?" Just a couple of paragraphs higher, the author specifically suggested that our own government has not upheld minimum human rights standards, yet a few lines later, this has already been forgotten...

 

ZATHRAS

7:33 PM ET

April 4, 2009

Karzai's Choice

My threshold for outrage being fairly high and my expectations of backward cultures rather low, I think it might be a good idea to consider what president Karzai's approval of this law says about his view of his government's position.

Karzai became president of Afghanistan, with American and NATO approval, because he came from a prominent Afghan Pashtun family, opposed the Taliban, and spoke excellent English. All these things are still true. What has happened in the meantime is that America spent years treading water in Afghanistan while devoting its main effort to Iraq, while Karzai demonstrated his limited abilities as a head of government. The Afghan government under his leadership has failed to fill the power vacuum created in 2001, and the more unreasonable groups among Afghan Islamists are therefore stronger than they were.

Their views on women are of course barbarous, but our problem is not that Karzai has suddenly adopted these views but rather than he feels he must accommodate Afghan factions who have had them all along. His is a course chosen out of weakness, weakness that is in turn a product both of American policy failures and Karzai's own deficiencies as a national leader. Expressions of moral outrage over the substance of the law referred to in this post miss the point, or rather the points, in question: first, how American and allied policy in Afghanistan needs to change, and second whether the strengthened Afghan government we need is likely to develop under Karzai's continued leadership.

 

FORLORNEHOPE

5:10 PM ET

April 5, 2009

Not our problem

The only valid reason for being in Afghanistan is to stop it being used as a place to train terrorists to attack us. How they choose to rule themselves is not our business. We may not like it, we may think it is cruel and oppressive and we can complain and persuade. It is not a reason to fight a war. The European view is that the use of the death penalty in the United States is discriminatory and unjust in its application and barbaric in its practice. That is not a reason for war either.

 

THETRAJECTORY

12:42 AM ET

April 7, 2009

Selective promotion of Women's rights

The discussed law is applicable to a minority of afghan women- the Shi'ite women. Certain discriminatory provisions of this law are already in force for the majority of the Sunni Afghan women and there has been no mention of it.
And why is the recent flogging of a Pakistani teenager not receiving the same condemnation as this proposed law?
Is this wave of concern fostered by genuine concern for women's rights or motivated by political forces keen malign the Karzai Government?
http://thetrajectory.com/blogs/?p=380

 

David Rothkopf is the CEO and Editor-at-Large of Foreign Policy. His new book, "Power, Inc.: The Epic Rivalry Between Big Business and Government and the Reckoning that Lies Ahead" is due out from Farrar, Straus & Giroux on March 1.

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