The New York Times's Roger Cohen and his soul mate Steve Walt have both written recently about U.S. policy toward Iran, embracing a new direction that Walt characterizes as realism. Hailing President Obama's recent speech to the Iranian people as framing this approach, Cohen described what Obama did:

He abandoned regime change as an American goal. He shelved the so-called military option. He buried a carrot-and-sticks approach viewed with contempt by Iranians as fit only for donkeys. And he placed Iran's nuclear program within "the full range of issues before us."

Walt has a post up called "a realistic approach to Iran's nuclear program." In it he makes his case that we should focus on getting Iran to stop short of developing nuclear weapons, offering the example of Japan which is nuclear weapons capable as being one that should be good for the Iranians and good for us. Via this approach we would allow Iran to build a nuclear infrastructure but leave it poised just perhaps months way from enriching uranium and making weapons. This approach makes perfect sense unless: a.) We think Iran might at some point want to take it further, b.) We think Iran might prepare to do so quickly and secretly, c.) We had a really bad track record of identifying such shifts in capability as they happened, d.) Iran was the world's leading state sponsor of terror and thus posed a unique risk regarding the proliferation of nuclear weapons technologies or related materials should they get them, and e.) Iran had expressed the desire to eliminate an enemy state in its neighborhood.

The problem of course, is that all these things are true.

Further, Cohen and Walt's initial "realist" position is that we can best achieve our goals by taking "the threat of military force and regime change off the table." Since when is it realistic by beginning a negotiation with a potentially dangerous adversary by us unilaterally giving up one of the options we may later need? The fundamentally unrealistic nature of this position is revealed later when Walt...after making an argument that our approach should essentially be all carrots and no sticks...observes that we need to let Iran know that if they did have nuclear weapons and a terrorist group used such a weapon we might suspect they were of Iranian origin and retaliate. Seems to me that's the stick he and Cohen both think should not be discussed. As to C & W's apparently preferred notion of going into a negotiation with all carrots and no sticks that's not realism, that is dewy-eyed romanticism that relies on the fundamental goodness of our negotiating partner. Which happens to be the world's leading state-sponsor of terror, run by extremists whose world view includes elimination of the region's only democracy, enmity with the United States, and throwing Holocaust-denial parties.

One important measure of the quality of any policy is what happens if it goes wrong? What happens when, as is often the case, that which we can't control goes in a way we don't want or expect it to? In this case of course, the primary casualty of such an error in judgment is likely to be Israel. It is one of the countries with the most to lose from a nuclear Iran and one can't help but think that Walt and Cohen are being a little cavalier about its future. Or is it that they actually so seek the weakening of U.S. support for Israel (Cohen salutes it as an inevitable and positive consequence of this policy) that they'll take short term gains on that front even if the long-term risks to U.S. interests and the region as a whole are much greater. Because, of course, Israel is not the only one threatened by a nuclear Iran, the Saudis and others would be too which is why many regional experts, including Amir Taheri writing in today's Wall Street Journal, fear that the most worrisome negative consequence of even a nuclear capable Iran would be a rush among other powers in the region to achieve the same or greater capacity thus taking the most dangerous region in the world and making it dramatically more dangerous.

I personally think Obama's overture was a good one and that we need to open up a dialogue with Iran. I think negotiation is possible and that there is a sufficient moderate population in Iran that will such initiatives offer some promise. I also, for the record, do not advocate blind support for Israel and think they too would benefit from an easing of tensions between the United States and Iran. I just think that we are more likely to have a constructive argument if all sides know what is unacceptable -- which includes an Iran with real or virtual nuclear capability and a nuclear arms race in the region -- and that we would use all available means to prevent either. Imagine if Kissinger had tried détente while also calling off deterrence with the Soviets. Would be he be the hero of realists he is today? And while we're at it, let's ask which of the two policies was more important ultimately to ending the Soviet threat? (You can say both were important...but the sine qua non of our Cold War success was deterrence.) Dennis Ross is right. More carrots, by all means, but don't prematurely (and naively) set aside the sticks.

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THUCYDIDES

8:06 PM ET

March 23, 2009

Taking away the blogger card...

When are they going to take away Rothkopf's blogging password? First, he makes a fool out of himself with that tortured post attacking Walt. And now this post--another not so transparent swipe at Walt--filled with empty cliches about what did and didn't work during the cold war (complete with the obligatory reference to all realists loving Kissinger--leaving aside Kissinger's involvement in the Vietnam War, which most realists vociferously opposed). But I'm not hear to defend Walt (whose realism is questionable when it comes to Iran). Rather, there are enough holes in this post by Rothkopf to sink any ship:

First, the situations are not analogous. The Soviets had thousands of nuclear weapons. Iran does not yet. The Soviets had a large armored military that posed (a much-debated) threat to western Europe. Iran has a relatively weak conventional military.

Second, the US and Israel have a perfectly good deterrent in place: their own nuclear weapons. There's a difference between keeping that deterrent in one's back pocket and actively using force to overthrow a regime to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. Let's be clear about what we mean when we say "taking force off the table."

Third, unless of course one believes that Iran's leaders are irrational in which case relying on deterrence doesn't make any sense now or later. But what's the evidence for that? Stalin killed millions of his own people and hardly appears to be a paragon of sanity, yet according to Rothkopf, cold war style deterrence against the Soviet Union was a great success.

Fourth and finally, the biggest problem here is that Rothkopf has no alternative. He calls realists "dewy-eyed" romantics, yet he's the one who closes his post with an empty paragraph about how to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons. The real reality (which Drezner appropriately nails Walt for) is that Iran is going nuclear, and we ought to be prepared for that reality. "One important measure of the quality of any policy is what happens if it goes wrong?" says Rothkops. Right. And what are the consequences of a misguided military strike on Iran? Or the consequences of threatening such a strike but then not carrying through?

 

SAM

9:54 PM ET

March 23, 2009

I am just wondering who is

I am just wondering who is going to pay for Rothkopf view of the world! Dude America is already bankrupt

 

DEAN

11:33 PM ET

March 23, 2009

Iran is not Soviet Russia

Your observation that Obama is abandoning the "sticks" is flawed. The sticks have been in force for quite some time, in the form of tough sanctions, and the Bush Administration's blustering about whacking them harder (eg. military strikes) has not helped improve the situation at all.

I visited Tehran last year. The Iranian people, by and large, are educated and decent. Sure there are some nutbags who chant Death to America/Israel etc, but then your country is home to the KKK. The craziest people are usually the loudest. But a side effect of 30 years of US stick-beating has caused some of these nutbags to rise to the top.

Iran has elections in June and I suspect Obama's main motivation initially is to get that horrible angry midget Ahmadinejad replaced with someone much more moderate. Hence the televised address. After that he'll start negotiating.

I suspect the silent, sensible Iranian majority desires good relations with the US much more than a symbolic nuclear weapons program. This is not Soviet Russia: Iran's citizens are the ones with the power, not the Ayatollah, so appealing directly to them is a great start.

 

BRETT

1:56 AM ET

March 24, 2009

I visited Tehran last year.

I visited Tehran last year. The Iranian people, by and large, are educated and decent. Sure there are some nutbags who chant Death to America/Israel etc, but then your country is home to the KKK.

Too bad the people who actually believe in this stuff are the ones with the guns and the power. Nobody has ever denied that most of the Iranians are nice folks - but unfortunately, Iran is not a democracy as long as the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council can do whatever they want and control the state security forces, and that means they make the decisions.

Iran has elections in June and I suspect Obama's main motivation initially is to get that horrible angry midget Ahmadinejad replaced with someone much more moderate.

Like who? Clinton had Khatami back in the late 1990s, yet it hardly did him any good; Khatami was no less resistant to Khamenei's pressures than Ahmadinejad.

I suspect the silent, sensible Iranian majority desires good relations with the US much more than a symbolic nuclear weapons program.

It's always good to meet an optimist.

Again, that majority does not hold real power in Iran. They can influence things if really motivated (which is rare), but the real power is in the hands of the clerics and their supporters.

Iran's citizens are the ones with the power, not the Ayatollah, so appealing directly to them is a great start.

That ayatollah can stop any candidate from taking office if he wants to. How do you think Ahmadinejad was elected?

 

HASS

5:13 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Ahmadinejad's ran AGAINST a

Ahmadinejad's ran AGAINST a cleric. You have a very superficial and incomplete understanding of Iran's politics.

 

DANI K. NEDAL

2:12 AM ET

March 24, 2009

What kind of realist?

What Walt argues is not that force is not a useful tool of statecraft in ANY situation (which would indeed make him an odd realist), but that force is not ALWAYS useful for all cases (compellence is much harder than deterrence) and can indeed be counterproductive. His balance-of-threat scheme of international politics leads him to believe that the threat of coercive action is the main inducement towards balancing behavior - in Iran's case, nuclearization - and that bandwagoning (defined as giving in to threats) seldom occurs (in line with defensive realism).

In my view, Walt's main mistake is to ignore what Ken Waltz seems to realize: that unipolarity is enough of an incentive for aspiring regional powers, and especially Iran, to become nuclear. While threatening to overthrow the regime certainly makes matters worse, no amount of carrots and reassurances can eliminate systemic incentives for Iran to develop a nuclear deterrent.

The discussion is further complicated by Walt's confusion of pragmatism and conservatism in Iranian foreign policy. While it is true that Iran is not bent on taking over the world, it does have limited revisionist aims in the Middle East; aims that are fundamentally incompatible with the US' and its allies' interests, making bandwagoning for profit also unlikely.

 

ZATHRAS

3:03 AM ET

March 24, 2009

The "Public" in Public Diplomacy

It seems that people with widely divergent ideas about the Iran problem agree that President Obama's message was a good first step on whatever path his administration will end up taking.

I agree with this myself. As to the next steps, I would suggest, just as a matter of improving the atmospherics somewhat from our side, that the "carrots and sticks" metaphor be dispensed with. Its meaning as a metaphor is clear to Anglo-American audiences, but the literal translation is bound to sound somewhat insulting to the Iranian audience we mean to reach. Also, while I have no objection in principle to removing repellent governments when this is possible, it does not appear to be in this case. Nor, as a practical matter, has "regime change" in Tehran been an American objective (as opposed to an aspiration of some Americans) for many years. Removal of the phrase from public statements about Iran might also help with the Iranian audience.

The last thing I would suggest is that we treat this audience seriously, and not assume that every part of it shares all the views of the clerical leadership represented by Khamenei. It appears to be an unfortunate truth that there are some groups within the Iranian government much less reasonable than he is. Yet while the Tehran government's leadership is heavily invested in antagonism toward the West in general and America in particular, it is likely that much of the Iranian public can be induced to take a more flexible view. American public statements about Iran could touch on their concerns, some of which involve grievances with their own government about things like corruption and the domestic economy.

It might even be worth thinking, along "realist" lines, about addressing directly the Iranian government's active hostility toward Israel. What does this get Iran, anyway? Sympathy for Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites is one thing, but arming Hezbollah and Hamas for proxy wars against a country hundreds of miles away from Iran's borders appears to service the interests of specific factions within the Iranian government better than it does those of Iran itself. It isn't as if Iranian weapons and training has made Palestinians' lives any better, either.

Of course the Iranian clerics would be furious if American spokesmen raised any of these points, which is OK. As the Obama administration seeks to talk with these people it should also be talking to the much larger number of Iranians they govern, exploiting one of the major advantages of Western democracy. The Iranian government's ability to generate political pressure within the United States to alter American policy is close to nonexistent; the reverse is probably not true. Realism, from our side, demands that we take this into account.

 

MORTEZA ESAVAND

1:47 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Iran

The only source of instability in the region is the American military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan." The "blind support" by the United States of Israel was also a cause of friction between the two countries. Iran would never forget the role the US played when Iran's prime minister Mohammad Mossadeq was overthrown in a coup in 1953, neither would it forget the 1988 shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane by a US warship in which all 290 people on board were killed. Iran would also not forget America's support for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s and the american poison gaz of our beloved martyrs and the sanctions it levied against Iran nor its support for Iran's main militant opposition group, the People's Mujahideen of Iran and supporting terrorist in eastern Iran on the border with Pakistan.Obama's stance toward Iran is the same as Bush's stance, arrogant and baseless. All the phrase "new beginning" means is that he's changing the look on his face. Instead of frowning and demanding, he smiles and demands. But he still demands with no real authority to demand and he still makes charges without evidence. Iran's response that it's the US that needs to change is reasonable. MR Khamenei is right that Iran wants to see the change backed by action because we can not trust the words of a president who can not even support his appointee Mr Freeman against AIPAC . But as it was a message for Norooz so we should sit with USA Gov on a table and see what Mr Obama change means.Iranian are making a difference between American foreign policy and Ameican people and would love to be in peace with USA.

 

COURTNEYME109

3:58 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Supreme Leader

Supreme Leader is also terrified of girls, fun and fee choice. It would be far more accurate to say the illogical, illegit regime in Mullahopolis is the cause of instability in the region.

After all - look at all their intolerant rocket rich fan boys like Hiz'B'Allah and their new best buds in the Strip HAMAS.

Or their failed, jumped up ayatollah to be Mookie.

Iran's Foreign Policy site is very clear about the change Tehran wants.

A shia crescent from Persia to the Red and Med seas, annexation of southern Iraq, a shia state in Bahgdad and surroundings, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and totally control Mecca and the dismemberment of Saudiland.

Dont despair though - Iran and GrEaT sAtAn will indeed become friends one day.

Just like Germany and Japan did.

 

HASS

5:09 PM ET

March 24, 2009

This is complete nonsense

Citing Amir Taheri's garbage editorial really proves how discredited this Rothkopf fellow is. This is the same Amir Taheri that promoted the lie that Iran requires Jews to wear yellow badges. The claim that Iran's nuclear program will cause a cascade of proliferation is utter rubbish when you consider the fact that both Egypt and Saudi Arabia already have nuclear programs that are as old as Iran's, that Egypt was already caught conducting secret, undeclared nuclear weapons expriments long before the controversy over Iran's nuclear program was manufactured, and that both countries have been LESS cooperative with the IAEA than Iran has (Egypt flatly refuses to sign the Additional Protocol) And why is it that Iran's non-existent nuclear weapons will cause proliferation when Israel's actual, existing nukes don't have this effect?

Iran's nuclear program is perfectly legal. Other countries such as Argentina and Brazil have also developed uranium enrichment programs, and they not only have a history of seeking nuclear weapons but have allowed less inspections than Iran has. So, everything you say about IRan's nuclear program is equally applicable to any other country that could potentially one day in the indefinite future decide to build nukes. THe solution isn't to try to illegally deprive countries of their sovereign rights to develop nuclear power infrastructure. Rather the solution is for the nuclear-armed countries to start to abide by THEIR OWN obligations under the NPT and disarm their nukes so we can all get rid of the need for nuclear deterrence.

 

HKEIRC

8:49 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Dennis Ross is right?

I have no idea why the Obama administration selects Dennis Ross as the State Department's top adviser on Iran. This represents a "poke in the eye". The world knows Mr Ross and his failed views on the Middle East. We need to find some other source beside a ridge AIPAC supporter. Just check with Mr Walt and President Carter.

 

COURTNEYME109

10:00 PM ET

March 24, 2009

Ross Rocks

Actually DR knows all about non profit jaw flapping. It took him 800 pages to realize that Comrade 'Papa" Arafat was an intolerant, murderous oath breaking creep in Ross' essential "Missing Peace".

The window for happy talk and friendly give and take with Tehran is rapidly closing. Between their upcoming faux elections and the delivery and deployment of Commonwealth Russia's magical future Air Defense System - the dreaded S300.

And DR is just the cat to cut right to it.

That is the window for cutting a deal - perhaps where Iran is more like Japan than NoKo. Nothing nukey on the launch pads but they could go nuclear over a long weekend.

 

David Rothkopf is the CEO and Editor-at-Large of Foreign Policy. His new book, "Power, Inc.: The Epic Rivalry Between Big Business and Government and the Reckoning that Lies Ahead" is due out from Farrar, Straus & Giroux on March 1.

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